Design, Designers, and the problem of evil
I've been holding off on answering question #3 for fear that the answer is either too easy and I'm missing the point or impossible to answer and therefore stupid to attempt. Both of those things may be the case. I'm taking a shot anyway.
Q #3: Obviously "evolutionists" have an agenda to spread their naturalistic philosophy (according to Phil Johnson, among others). Once you get rid of their desire to get God out of the picture, what do you have left? Once you accept through faith that God made the universe, there's no evidence from evolutionists that "demands a verdict." Hasn't Intelligent Design (ID) proved that evolution is wrong scientifically/empirically?
>It might be helpful to first spell out what we mean by "design". You'd think it would be a no-brainer, but the definition of design is one of the two crucial points in the middle of this argument. There are two influential takes on the design argument that try to deal with both sides of the evidence fairly. One is promoted by Del Ratzsch, a physics professor at Calvin College; the other by (among others) Michael Ruse, History and Philosophy of Science prof. at Florida State. Both have attracted a large number and variety of followers.
Ratzsche's position is based on a more nuanced understanding of Paley's early-1800s design argument. He basically lays out what it means for something to be designed:
- "a pattern is an abstract structure which correlates in special ways to mind, or is mind correlative
- a design is a deliberately intended or produced pattern
- to be designed is to exemplify a design" (Nature, Design, and Science, 2001: 3).
8 Comments:
E:
A thought provoking post. It makes me wonder if anything posted in the blogging world will eventually find itself in your thesis, class discussion or published material.
On your Q3:
Given science's proclivity of answer refinement, I am surprised that the scientific community has yet to ask for a specific identity of the designer and a unified agreement among the competition. For now, it appears to be a discussion based on Judeo-Christian ethics vs. atheists and anti-theists. Personally, I like clarity and specifics, but this will create an (us) vs. (them, atheist, antitheist and heretics). Thus, people will get their feelings hurt, and complain of being judged without agreeing that they could be wrong and must change their ways, and thinking. Turning from ones ways is never an easy task, especially when one's intellectual ego is called to repentance. I have acknowledged many times the errors of my intellectual ways, and it is never a gratifying experience. Not only are our bodies not perfect, neither are our feelings, and especially our minds.
Regarding the problem of evil, I have some atheistic friends who have no problem with evil. They reduce life to reproduction, survival and pursuit of happiness as they see fit. Seems rather opportunistic and convienent as long as their dogma is adhered to.
As a Christian, I think that the problem of evil is further confirmation on the truth of orthodox Christianity. The Christian Bible does not mince words or dodge the problem of evil, nor the believers response to it. Clearly, we are called to a unique "other worldly" response to evil. When one views evil from a consequence of imperfection, helplessness is inevitable. But, if the perspective changes to what impact may I choose to change the circumstances... lives are impacted. My belief is that the Mother Theresa's of the world are made due to their belief that the God of the Bible is present and He is not silent (borrowed from F. Schaeffer).
In closing, is it possible that a dictionary definition cyber-link for words like theodicity could be included? that way we can know and be consistent when using new vocab. words .
Matt
matt--very perceptive comment. I think the philosophy undergirding much of the ID argument is Judeo-Christian. You don't see too many Muslims or any Buddhists getting into discussions about this stuff. But I think the ID want to bring together agnostics and "non-practicing" religious people under their umbrella too. All in all, the design argument in its various forms has been around since the 1500s if not earlier and I don't see it going away since its simply not possible to get people to stop making the jump from complexity to design to designer (and we shouldn't stop people from making that connection either). On the other hand, philosophical naturalism has been around for about 300 years or so, too, and though it's reliance upon evolution for some sort of "natural world" justification is newer, it's not likely to disappear. You're absolutely right--as long as people want one side to be true at the expense of the other, there will always be name-calling and people will hate each other. I'm not sure how to get around this, though: you want to and should defend your beliefs. Not really examining your beliefs shouldn't be the way that people go about being nonconfrontational either. In other words, "niceness" at the expense of intellectual honesty or integrity seems like a bad excuse.
Good suggestion about the dictionary links. I'll try to find something like that. Sorry for relying so much on vocab words. I want to get better at not doing that....
Erik--
So, what do YOU think? Are we designed, or are we not?
Is your critique of Intelligent Design merely tactical, or do you have a problem with the notion of God-as-designer?
(I know the term 'designer' is loaded. I think you know more or less how I define it -- that God had a plan for the human form and all other forms as they exist now, and that He created man and this universe for a specific purpose -- we may quibble about the processes God used to design us, but a view that God did not design us seems patently un-Jewish and utterly non-Christian. But I haven't been to grad school, so I might be missing the point ;-0 )
Read my blog. Answer my questions. You huge Nordic sissy. (wink)
As everyone has already sorta poked around and identified, it's tough to answer this question head-on. I always wanted someone who would just say "It's X and not Y." But I don't think the answer is so airtight.
Another way of saying it would be: believe whatever you want, as long as you call it a "belief-only" type of belief. I'm okay with that for many things in my life, but I want something more like "belief-and" in this case. In other words, I want to be able to say I've looked around enough to know that I am standing upon semi-solid ground both intellectually AND faith-wise. (as as aside, i don't mean "intellectually" to exclude feelings based understanding. I think i mean that feelings can be changed, somewhat rapidly sometimes, to meet present circumstances. therefore, if i throw up what i feel-to-be-true, it holds somewhat less water than something i both feel and know to be true. make sense?)
Anyway, I promise to post soon about this very issue. I need to wrestle first, sorry.... :-)
Erik--
I think it makes sense.
Using that epistemological framework, would you say that your belief that, for instance, Jesus physically rose from the dead is something you both know and feel to be true, something you only know to be true, or something you only feel to be true? Or something that you wish to be true, but you neither feel nor know to be true?
Just trying to get a handle on how you would approach other tenets of the faith using the approach, or at least classification, you suggest.
Thanks,
John
john, very very good question...although i think one can sidestep it somewhat by making the claim that the resurrection, incarnation, and miracles in general are unique events. science does nothing, or very little, with unique events. science wants processes to analyze and assumes regularity.
under this assumption, one can attribute certain types of phenomena--namely things that occur regularly--to natural laws and science's job is to find out and describe what those natural laws are. a religious explanation could through out different meanings/explanations for those natural laws, but the descriptions of them don't necessarily need to be different. i'm not saying they aren't or shouldn't be, just that they don't need to be.
so, in the case of the resurrection, we could say that it doesn't usually work that way and study, instead, the process of decay. but we could still hold on to a belief of the resurrection. it's just that science has to remain silent on that issue--there's no evidence that it CAN assess. those who say that there's no evidence therefore it didn't happen are arguing from underdetermination (i.e., lack of evidence) and that's not a defensible position. in either case--whether we believe in the resurrection or not--we're making a faith claim (a la Kierkegaard) and that's okay. but it's not scientific.
in that case, i'd say--who cares? science is only one epistemic attempt to get at knowledge. and its restrictions are many.
we could and have tried to treat the whole creation story that way. in this case, we have regularity, we have a process, we have a "natural law" and yet there's argument about what that natural law means. some would argue that since there seems to be conflict that either science or religion is wholly wrong. others would argue that they are talking about different things and therefore should stop talking about it. i'm arguing that there's a third way that takes both the interpretation of the process and the description of the process seriously.
i know this is not a full answer, but it's a start i think.
and please excuse my misspellings and lack of sentence structure.
being in a hurry makes for sloppy thinking and writing.
[it didn't for GK Chesterton, though, which is why he's such a good writer. what the heck am i going on about? stop talking/typing, self!]
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